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The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

werenumber2

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I live in a state with one of the highest vaccination rates in the country - went to the mall this weekend and 90% of the people (maybe more) were wearing masks.

There’s such an interesting correlation between vaccines and mask wearing
 

lavaflow99

In search of the next vacation
I live in a state with one of the highest vaccination rates in the country - went to the mall this weekend and 90% of the people (maybe more) were wearing masks.

There’s such an interesting correlation between vaccines and mask wearing
Very much so. I went to Target over the weekend and I saw only two people without masks. Out of probably 25-30 folks I saw. And my state (Maryland) had 70+% vaccination rates.

So just shows that this is a deeper (ie intellect :look:) issue.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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I live in a state with one of the highest vaccination rates in the country - went to the mall this weekend and 90% of the people (maybe more) were wearing masks.

There’s such an interesting correlation between vaccines and mask wearing
In my part of Florida (capital) the mask wearing reflects the state vaccination rate. Its just under 50% and I see about that much or more. Where my mom is in Palm Beach its a lot less. This is the same county that went viral about mask wearing at their county commissioners office when they had mandates last summer. Ironically it and my county are consistently blue voting.
 

winterinatl

All natural!
I agree he is trash. He repeated that racist trope under the direction of the ruMP admin.
Was that information false? What would be the underlying agenda here? This info did not seem suspect to me bc we are disproportionately low income, and it follows we had to expose ourselves more during the pandemic as lower wage earners/service workers (beauty shops, bus drivers, etc). Also we may have higher incidence of insufficient health care.

Besides making black folks look like Typhoid Mary - it really does other ethnic groups the disservice thinking they are safe since “only black folks get it”.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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Was that information false? What would be the underlying agenda here? This info did not seem suspect to me bc we are disproportionately low income, and it follows we had to expose ourselves more during the pandemic as lower wage earners/service workers (beauty shops, bus drivers, etc). Also we may have higher incidence of insufficient health care.

Besides making black folks look like Typhoid Mary - it really does other ethnic groups the disservice thinking they are safe since “only black folks get it”.
They stated facts on paper about WHO is getting it more. But they always leave out the why which is never that simple. We don't have some DNA defect that makes us more prone to COVID-19 or maternal mortality issues. This is the trope going around andhaving a Black Doctor repeat it just legitimizes it. We get it more because of racial disparities related to access to care, being more likely to work jobs where we are front line workers (non-medical--janitorial, clean up behind medical staff, housekeeping, retail serving food) that exposes us more due to poverty. And we have trust issues rightly due to being either involuntarily used to test drugs and treatments or purposefully excluded out of treatment, then the eugenics, etc.
 

winterinatl

All natural!
They stated facts on paper about WHO is getting it more. But they always leave out the why which is never that simple. We don't have some DNA defect that makes us more prone to COVID-19 or maternal mortality issues. This is the trope going around andhaving a Black Doctor repeat it just legitimizes it. We get it more because of racial disparities related to access to care, being more likely to work jobs where we are front line workers (non-medical--janitorial, clean up behind medical staff, housekeeping, retail serving food) that exposes us more due to poverty. And we have trust issues rightly due to being either involuntarily used to test drugs and treatments or purposefully excluded out of treatment, then the eugenics, etc.
I see. Like how in education we are almost always reported lower than other groups academically but only recently have school systems examined the WHY behind it. Leading to the general public thinking we are just born inferior.
 

sunshinebeautiful

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I also felt some kind of way about the messaging push that Blacks are getting and dying from COVID-19 because it set the stage for "others" out here to act the *** up. That was around the time the others started mask protests and storming capital buildings because why were they subject to mask mandates when "they" weren't being affected. People are so selfish sometimes - and the implications of our messages need to be considered before they are amplified without proper context.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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I see. Like how in education we are almost always reported lower than other groups academically but only recently have school systems examined the WHY behind it. Leading to the general public thinking we are just born inferior.
That part. Or how in the maternal child/midwifery and breastfeeding circles they assumed a lot of BW (even ones with more degrees than them) were obviously doing drugs recreationally or eating junk all day because THAT HAD to explain why the maternal mortality rate was so high or breastfeeding rates were so low. You know I've snatched many a dry blond wig in those circles.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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Arrrrrgggggh.
News from the trenches ain't good today.

A NEW staff member's (Hisp woman) sister got sick with COVID and went to the hospital. So said staff member gets tested and she is positive, as well as their whole family. Sister lives with them. Staff member got the Moderna ~2 mos ago. Says she is feeling very sick today. Positive rapid test today. I am pretty sure she has a nasty variant. She will be questioned thoroughly bc its a breakthrough infection.

She translated for a co-worker yesterday and was in less than 1-2 feet proximity with her. Said co-worker (a BW) is unvaccinated. Protocol states go home and quarantine 10 days or, take a PCR in 6 days, and if positive, quarantine until the test is negative. She was scared about the proximity until I told her she'd have to go home and taker her own PTO or leave without pay. Now she swears that she was only near the positive person for 3-4 minutes. The rule says a "Direct contact" is 15 minutes or more.

I can't even force her home because its her word against ours. I plan to ask said sick person soon and she will confirm if she was near the BW more than 15 minutes. If so, then I can actually discipline her for lying. But as it stands, I can't do anything about it. She had gotten belligerent with her supervisor a few months ago when the discussion of the vaccine came up. The discussion was simply to encourage the vaccine if you wanted it and she left it at that. The BW then complained and said the supervisor was "singling her out." which was hardly the case.

I had a family of 7 on the phone today and their whole house is infected with COVID. The mom says she and hubby are super tired and the 4 kids are fine and eating well. Says her son who has Sickle Cell anemia (4 YO) has been eating a little less but in good spirits. Pretty sure that variant has a nice little hold on my town.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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It reminds me of people who swear their meds don't work except for that one caveat: They aren't doing right by them. For example blood prssur patient goes in with High BP and the doctor asks if they are using the meds....patient says "oh yeah doc". Doc ups the dose or gives a new Rx. Rinse repeat. Then they run into me. I ask: what happened on med #1, #2? They give the rundown. I say--okay. What was your dosage and prescribed frequency--*crickets*. Did you take it EXACTLY as prescribed? Patient---no not really.
So all this time and several meds later, you never took it as prescribed so you never really know if it worked. And in my field this happens ALL THE TIME.

The fine print with the pandemic is not being adhered to. Totally ignored. Per my above comment, I'm overconfident ppl are lying about being vaccinated, when they were vaccinated, when they wear masks, or if they did. Including were they near someone who tested positive with COVID. And thats + the crazy political and anti-science conditions going on. The hard work of the scientists, epidemiologists, virologists, their blood sweat and tears, sleepless nights are almost for naught if this continues. And that's sad.

OAN: We need to pay attention to science in Israel. They tend to be on trend or ahead in some of their research because they don't always let politics interfere with some of the public health measures.
 

lavaflow99

In search of the next vacation

Vaccinated people: Your odds of a COVID 'breakthrough' infection have gone up. That doesn't mean you need to panic.​

Hilary Brueck
Tue, July 20, 2021, 10:30 AM·8 min read


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The Flaming Lips staged a concert in January 2021 with both the band and the audience inside inflatable bubbles. Flaming Lips/Warner Music via Reuters
  • Vaccinated people are well protected from severe disease that could be caused by the Delta variant.
  • They can catch COVID-19, but their symptoms may be mild, and the risk of transmitting may be low.
  • The US is in a precarious position, with a half-vaccinated population.
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New York Yankees, Texas wedding guests, and Vegas partygoers are part of an unlucky but growing minority.
They are fully vaccinated people who've got cases of COVID-19, as the more contagious Delta variant spreads quickly around the world.
Their illnesses are a reminder that this pandemic is not over, and we urgently need more shots in arms - globally.
Vaccinated people: A shot does not catapult you into a post-pandemic dream world. Don't be shocked if you go out and socialize unmasked and then later test positive for COVID-19.
It's nothing to fret about too much: If you get a "breakthrough" infection, it may feel like a cold or be completely asymptomatic.
But with the far more contagious Delta variant at play, your odds of infection are up, and you could also hurt others by spreading an infection around.
"Plague amnesia is going to cause a massive crisis in the United States if people want to forget that we are still in the midst of a pandemic," said Charity Dean, a former top-tier official at the California Department of Public Health and a key character in Michael Lewis' new book about the pandemic.

Being vaccinated doesn't mean you're 100% immune to COVID-19​

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Israelis showed off their "green passes" as they arrived for a concert for vaccinated seniors at Bloomfield Stadium in Tel Aviv, Israel, on March 5. Jack Geuz/AFP via Getty Images
Fully vaccinated people have been given license to party by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which said that people who are fully vaccinated can go maskless indoors pretty much everywhere, even in public spaces. (Almost half of the US is fully vaccinated, the CDC said.)
"This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Rochelle Walensky, the director of the CDC, said during a White House briefing on Friday.
That is the CDC's take-home message in a nutshell: If you are vaccinated, this virus is no longer your concern.
But the reality is, now that the Delta variant dominates, everyone's odds of getting sick have ticked up, especially as more people are mask-free as they mingle with other households.
Delta is about twice as contagious as Alpha, which is in turn about twice as contagious as the original virus identified in Wuhan, China. (Public Health England found the Delta variant was 60% more transmissible than the Alpha variant, which was already deemed "50% more transmissible than current variants" by the CDC.)
Fully vaccinated people who've recently said that they tested positive for COVID-19 include Miami County Commissioner Jose Diaz (who'd been working alongside first responders at the Surfside building collapse), reporter Catt Sadler, comedian Gabriel Iglesias, six Texas lawmakers, and the UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid.
Christopher Murray, the director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, which the White House has leaned on for COVID-19 projections, told Insider the Delta variant is driving up cases across the US - including among the vaccinated.
"The vaccines, especially for the Delta variant, are better at preventing severe disease and death than they are at preventing infections," Murray told Insider.
Tim Spector, an epidemiologist at King's College London, told Insider there is nothing to suggest Delta is more lethal, but it is more infectious, and "because of that extra stickiness, it's going to still keep breaking through the vaccine group."
The good news is that even with the more contagious Delta variant around, COVID-19 appears to be milder in vaccinated people, who may suffer symptoms such as coughs, headaches, temporary loss of taste and smell, and sore throats. Fully vaccinated people also tend to carry less virus in the back of their nose and throat, meaning they are probably less likely to spread COVID-19 to others, compared to unvaccinated people who are ill.

'It wasn't that bad'​

Hilary Young, a branding consultant in Philadelphia who's been fully vaccinated for more than two months, is another person who recently tested positive for COVID-19. She said her symptoms included a mild sore throat, congestion, headache, dizziness, fatigue, insomnia, and the loss of taste and smell.
"My worst fear happened, we survived it, and I think that's a direct result of being vaccinated," she said. "It wasn't that bad for me. I didn't end up in the hospital. I wasn't totally knocked out."
Her story tracks with the data. In the US, unvaccinated people now account for 97% of COVID-19-related hospitalizations, the CDC said.
But many fully vaccinated health experts still remain cautious when they're out and about, knowing they could contract a mild case of the virus.
"I realize I'm not likely to die if infected," Professor Don Milton from the University of Maryland, a leading expert on airborne viruses, recently told Insider, explaining his choice to wear an N95 mask when he goes shopping in suburban Maryland.
"I could still get ill, miss work, screw up my vacation, and [there's] a small risk that I'd have long-term effects. Why take the risk?" he said.
Young agreed.
"I will continue to wear a mask indoors," she said. "I think, at the very least, that's something that people should be encouraged to do - especially if you're at CVS, where people are shopping for what they think is cold medication."

A vaccine doesn't operate like a magic wand​

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Vaccines are not magic. Warner Bros. Pictures
No vaccine has ever been capable of preventing every single case of an illness.
We know this already because each year scientists develop new flu vaccines, which are at best about 60% effective at keeping people flu-free.
Like COVID-19 vaccines, flu vaccines are worth getting because they teach your body how to better fight off future infections, likely making a case of the virus milder if you catch it. Ideally, if enough people get vaccines, the amount of virus circulating in a community would be lower, so that fewer vulnerable people would get sick and die.
Conversely, low vaccination rates, coupled with a far more contagious viral variant such as Delta, put everyone at greater risk of an infection.
So wearing masks and limiting exposure to people who may be infected should still be critical components of communitywide disease prevention. Though it's less likely than it would be if they remained unvaccinated, vaccinated people could also spread COVID-19 to immunocompromised people and to children under 12, as well as their families.
"The bottom line is, we are dealing with a formidable variant in the Delta variant," Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden's chief medical advisor, said during a White House briefing on Friday. He added that "the message loud and clear that we need to reiterate" is that the vaccines continue to offer "strong protection."

We have to accept that the odds of infection have changed for vaccinated people​

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Wearing masks and limiting exposure to people who may be infected should still be critical components of communitywide disease prevention. Matt Stroshane/Walt Disney World Resort via Getty Images
The CDC doesn't encourage any of the 160 million vaccinated people across the US who are exposed to COVID-19 to get tested for it, unless they go on to develop symptoms.
Instead, the country relies on data from the UK and Israel to figure out how well COVID-19 can dodge our vaccines.
This puts the US at a disadvantage as the virus continues to morph, doing its best to survive. With Delta around, we know vaccinated people are not as well protected as they once were. Now, we risk missing the signals of a more dangerous variant - something that our existing vaccines would barely combat.
Young is frustrated that the data on her own breakthrough case - which was detected with an at-home test - won't be recorded anywhere by the CDC. Young said her doctor didn't encourage her to seek out confirmation with a laboratory test. Instead they said, "You just have to quarantine, and you should be fine."
Dean said, given the low level of testing and sequencing being done on fully vaccinated people right now, there's no way the US can keep tabs on the virus well enough. If we want to know how decent the vaccine protection of the country really is, Dean said, we need to know when vaccinated people are getting infected, what variant they have, and how severe their case is.
"It's very concerning to me that we're 20 months into the pandemic and we don't have that capability yet," she said. "The technology has to move faster than the pathogen."
Read the original article on Business Insider
 

sunshinebeautiful

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So why am I today years old just finding out that the symptoms for the Delta Variant aren't the regular old Covid symptoms?
Delta symptoms are sneezing, runny nose and the mother of all headaches. Why ya'll ain't tell me? :mad:

Um.... I didn't know this either. Now that you mention it, the other day I was out in a store and I swiftly turned around when someone sneezed. It was an unmasked White dude. I wasn't anywhere near the guy, but I quickly exited stage left and got the heck out of dodge. :nono:

If the symptoms include sneezing, I see why it's spreading at lightning speed. This is gross but I'm imagining those "virus droplets" projecting everywhere. OMG that makes me feel sick.
 

mensa

Well-Known Member
@naturalgyrl5199
SAY IT AGAIN!
We all know this information but folks willfully ignore it. This rush to return to prepandemic times is not realistic. What the old folks say "you gone learn that fat meat is greasy".
We know there will be break through cases, we know masks are an effective tool, we know washing your hands and social distancing work... but still people act shocked as if the vaccine is the cure and not just another tool in this battle.
I'm so tired. Lemme go reup on more mask.
You know that the only reason why they opened up everything BEFORE they were supposed to, was to pacify and quiet "them folks" down... and stop them from actin a plumb fool! It did not take a rocket scientist to figure out that we would be here again.

With this perpetual merry-go-round, America will never heal!!!!!!!!!

Periodt!!!!!
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Um.... I didn't know this either. Now that you mention it, the other day I was out in a store and I swiftly turned around when someone sneezed. It was an unmasked White dude. I wasn't anywhere near the guy, but I quickly exited stage left and got the heck out of dodge. :nono:

If the symptoms include sneezing, I see why it's spreading at lightning speed. This is gross but I'm imagining those "virus droplets" projecting everywhere. OMG that makes me feel sick.
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