Discussion in 'News - Breaking News & Political Forum' started by Southernbella., May 25, 2019.
Do we know for sure that all black people voted in unity in 2016?
This is interesting. Do we even know if most black immigrants vote democrat?
I understand#ADOS is for AA's and agree for reparations, whether from the British crown or from the United State, wherever the slaves were ruled; slave descendants in other countries should get reparations too. We gotta remember, families were separated on the routes during the Diaspora.. uncle dropped off in Caribbean, cousin dropped off in U.S. We're all one and the same oppressed people.
I do see that whites are using ADOS movement to do two things (1) slow its roll, to keep it from being successful and (2) cause division among blacks. The position of "If you're not AA, #ADOS isn't for you" the stance is staunch and almost aggressively exclusive. How can a black person care less about other blacks? ADOS is intertwined with the political movement of whites to gain the black vote.
We keep this up, openly racist whites like Ann (who are ensuring that biracials get their cut, too ) will continue their divide-and-conquer movement and it's not so hard for them, because we're already doing a good job of separating ourselves without them.
I feel the same way. It will need to be a joint effort. As long as it will benefit the descendants of slaves at the end of the day then who cares who joins the fight. The more the better.
According to blackdemographics.com, non-Hispanic blacks make up only 12.1% of the U.S. population (raise it to 14% if you include multiracial AAs). That's ALL the blacks in America, not just AAs..
Understandably, about 11% of black voters didn't come out to vote in 2016.
African immigrants have always pushed for turning out at the polls...they showed up for Obama, who got 95% of the black vote in his first run.
Getting officials elected into office would help/ensure that #ADOS becomes a reality depends greatly on the black vote.. not just the votes of AAs. We need each other more than we care to admit.
ETA - cited wrong election.
That's deliberately devisive speech...
Maybe she's looking out for her future child/ren with JJ (or any black man) should reparations come through... lol
Do they consistently vote democrat? I think Obama could’ve been an anomaly for African immigrants given his background.
I'm in agreement about other black folks getting reparations. If non-AA black folks want to start a movement, more power to them and I hope they win. But right now, I'm focused on my own group.
Nobody ever has a problem with this type of thing until AAs do it.
I agree. It doesn’t make sense to make this about all black people when the U.S. government wouldn’t owe reparations to all black people just those who are descendants of those enslaved here. I want to understand the issue but it feels like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is stopping this same movement from happening throughout the diaspora. Matter of fact a success with ADOS would likely encourage other countries into similar efforts.
Coulter’s tweet opens the door for whites to apply for this scholarship. The alt-right is promoting the idea that “white people were slaves too” (I.e indentured servants, etc). She was smart to include the Haitian and Moroccan piece. It leads AAs to believe she’s promoting resources for AAs only and not Black immigrants and their descendants. This is not the case. One thing I’ll give these right Dwights is that they are cunning. Scarily so. If “African” were included in the acronym, I’d feel more comfortable about loopholes.
I think you're missing my point... other blacks have already started movements elsewhere..
@bolded... the idea isn't new.
My point is ADOS is being used to cause confusion and division in U.S. politics as we gear up for another election. It's a bigger picture than your "own group"
I’ll be honest, Rev Cosby’s involvement lends credibility to the argument that ADOS movement is a republican scam. He has a history of selling access to his congregation to republicans.
Well I guess that explains the biracial inclusion for the scholarships...
Note: In addition we would add that at least one grandparent fulfills both prongs of the criteria if a person is BIRACIAL.
So if other blacks have already started movements elsewhere... what's the problem? Are you saying there's an issue with ADOS specifically not reparations in general? Are you suggesting that the issue of reparations should be dropped because people with an agenda are manipulating it? If so, this could apply to any issue and would effectively limit any progress on issues with this same potential. Why is the burden on us when it's others who are causing confusion?
For what it's worth, I feel like you're making her point about how these things are never a problem until we want to focus on our own. What exactly is the solution?
I hope nobody honestly believes we think Ann Coulter has our best interests at heart. Give us some credit.
She can open whatever door she likes with her tweets but ADOS is very clear about who qualifies and who doesn't.
Who is confused and divided other than people who don't support reparations or special benefits for AAs?
Maybe somebody smarter than me figured out how to find out what suffices as reasonable proof that someone is ADOS. Ancestry.com took me back to 1882 which was 2 decades after the civil war ended but there were no birth certificates. For me to identify the slave lineage of my family was expensive and time consuming.
I went to the website and you have to begin the application process to get more information.
Actually, this part:
Says more than anything else you posted. Why should people who aren't AA be entitled to reparations from the US within the context of this particular movement? (I'm not talking about Haiti who is definitely deserving in a different context).
It's not that difficult. Large-scale black immigration didn't start until after the civil rights movement (when, for the record, AAs demanded the US end the National Origins Act).
If a black person can find their people on a census between 1880 and, say, 1940, there's a VERY good chance they are ADOS.
Except there was no African part to remove. ADOS means "American Descendents of Slaves."
I don't think he's involved in the funding or administration. The seminary created the scholarship in his name.
Sidenote: most black megachurches take Republican money.
I'm surprised this is the first. The fellowship I got for grad school in 2001 was for underrepresented minorities, so for black people, only AA counted. Africans and Caribbeans could not receive it. So even that long ago there was an understanding of the difference and an effort to set aside funds. It was not exclusive to AA, though, as Latinos and NAs and Pacific Islanders could get it too.
I’m still very interested in what criteria has been specified for lineage based eligibility for the scholarship.
I suppose someone could purposely deceive an admissions board. But I think most non AA know they are not AA. They've only been here 1 or 2 generations, so they know. I mean, for that matter, what's to stop a white person from getting scholarships for black people if they say they are part black? There is generally a level of good faith assumed, as we cannot reasonably do a lineage check for every applicant.
Btw, the fellowship I got that excluded black people who were not AA, another woman got it in my dept. She was half Jamaican, half AA. But it was the AA half that qualified her
Are you talking about faith based initiative money or are you talking about something else when you refer to “Republican money?”
I can only provide my experience as a person who grew up in Louisville, attended St Stephens Church (Cosby’s church) until it became clear that he was selling access to his congregation to Republican Representative Anne Northup, who had friends who left St Stephens for the same reason and who attended another mega church that received faith based money without the pastor shilling for Republicans. I can tell you that that all created an uproar in the black religious community in Louisville at the time.
I shared this story with my friend, who also used to attend St Stephens and she’s skeptical as well.
Not worried about deception. I think outside of the black elite crowd most ADOS wouldn’t be able to prove they descended from slaves. Because a ton of documents were destroyed during the civil war, the indisputable link isn’t going to be readily available to everyone. So that’s a good way to have a scholarship in name only.
I don’t have a problem with other black people getting anything, necessarily. But I have never heard of these other groups fighting for reparations in America. As usual, they wait until AA’s have shed blood, sweat and tears fighting for something, mostly alone, and then when that thing begins to come to fruition, they just run to stand in line talking about “we should get it too, cause...”. It’s an excellent strategy on their parts, but I’m sick of it.
Huh??? Sick of what? Did I miss something?
Reparations have been the fight in other countries for quite a while now.. this fight has been existing in the Caribbean. I'm not talking about advocating for or talking about immigrants starting reparations in the United States because of #ADOS, or getting a piece of the proverbial pie. I think if you would try to understand what I'm saying, it'll make more sense. I get that I'm being blown off because of how some of you already feel about immigrants. ... that's part of the misunderstanding right there. If you read upthread, I support #ADOS. I just agree with another poster that I see where white supremacists are trying hard to keep this from happening. Reparations would first need to become law to happen and the right politicians in place can make it law.