Interesting: More Law Schools Accepting Gre Test Results

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  1. Harina

    Harina Well-Known Member

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    Law schools have really turned in to degree mills as a whole. Apart for top toer law schools, many schools have surprisingly lax critieria for admission. These schools have figured out that they make more money by accepting more students into the program. People still consider law to be a guaranteed lucrative field akin to medicine, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The field of law is over saturated with attorneys. Many students from these schools find themselves not even practicing law after graduation (some by choice, many by force).
     
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    Are you saying even students from top tier schools often aren't practicing law by force or they are the exception to this degree mill system?
     
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    What I was saying is that in regards to admission criteria, top tier law schools haven't relaxed their admission standards like many other law schools have. You will not find Yale accepting the GRE as a suitable admissions test. The same thing with business schools and really graduate schools as a whole. Back when I was getting my MBA, the GMAT was required and the your score played heavily into admission. Now, I see commercials all the time for MBA's, no GMAT, not even a GRE. For other graduate degrees the standards seem to drop even more. I know someone who just received a Master's degree without a single admission exam, took maybe 6 classes online and graduated in a year and a half.

    Sorry, I've derailed from law school. To answer your question, yes, for some. There are numerous articles about graduates from top tier law schools who are drowning in debt and employed in fields other than practicing law due to the saturation in that industry. That has to sting a bit to these folks because the admission requirements into these schools is rigorous and the same thing can be said for the programs. Not to mention the prices for these schools which easily rival medical school costs. My unprofessional opinion is that it is a ripple up effect. With so many schools starting law programs and others changing their admission criteria in order to attract more students, the field has seen a huge spike in the number of new lawyers, but the demand isn't there. More lawyers and less jobs now puts attorneys with law degrees from Podunck Tech in competition with Princeton law school graduates. I'm sure this is way more info than you bargained for, but if you're still reading, I'm sure you can see where this is heading. Perhaps in another thread at another time we can discuss the stagnation of salaries in the field of law. Having a law degree no longer guarantees a lucrative income. Supply meet demand.
     
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    The legal field was hit hard by the recession and law schools have been slow to adjust. It's a challenging field that carries a lot of stress even if you can find work. Because the field's problems in the new economy are well-known, people are choosing not to go to law school. Meaning law schools have to find a way to get students to attend if they want to stay alive. The LSAT is tough, the people who can do alright on it are going to the top law schools, meaning the rest have to relax their standards to get students. But even students who graduate from top schools are having problems finding work. The top 10% of salaries are going up but the competition for those jobs is much fiercer.

    I have my JD but I don't practice. I'm in California which has the hardest bar in the country and took the bar twice. I only know two people from my law school who passed it on the first try. The California Supreme Court is now reviewing the score threshold and is planning to lower it because less than 1/3 have passed for several years now. But California also switched to the UBE so lowering the score needed to pass may not make a difference. I had a health issue that might've affected my performance so now that I have it resolved I might take it again but I have another graduate degree so while I definitely attained valuable skills in law school, I don't have a real interest in practicing.

    Most people I know practicing law have opened their own firm which provides autonomy but takes time to generate income. The top jobs pay six figures but you have no life--literally. :nono:

    So law schools accepting the GRE isn't a surprise. They're doing what's necessary to survive. I actually think law schools need to create departments emphasizing non-legal career options for a JD. Skills you learn in law school are marketable other places IMO you just have to know what you're doing and not wander aimlessly. Law schools need to get away from the mentality that the only suitable career for a JD is being a lawyer.
     
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    Harvard Law is going to accept GRE scores.
     
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    Wow. I did not see that coming! I really only assumed it would be the rinky dink schools. I wonder what the reasoning is? I wonder how the LSAT corporation feels about this?

    I recall reading or hearing that some Ivy League school did away with SAT and ACT for undergrad admissions because they felt the tests results showed little correlation between a students ability to perform well in college. I wonder if this is the same thing with the LSAT.
     
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    I found little correlation between the LSAT and my first year of law school. Quite frankly, I don't know what type of test or undergrad classes would prepare one to go to law school. I took a class in Logic because I had heard that it would prepare me for the LSAT and I don't think that it did.
     
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    Thanks for the explanation!
     
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    The GRE is still a normed test, and it isn't easy. Not sure why it gets a bad wrap.

    Almost all (if not all) top business schools accept the GRE. I got into 7 top bschools using the GRE.
     
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    I didn't imply that it was an easy test. I never took the GRE, but I assume it is not the same as the LSAT, which I have taken. I'm also not saying that the LSAT is the perfect test for law school. Although I took the LSAT, I decided to go to business school instead of law school. This is why I don't know what the correlation is between what is tested on the LSAT and law school.
     
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    Lemme gone shoot my shot

    Jk but not really maybe.
     
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    Gotcha! Thanks for responding to clarify :)



     
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    Law schools are moving with the times. LSAT scores do not reflect how good of a lawyer a person would ultimately be. Plus the argument is that a lot of lawyers navigate so many industries and there are also people in various field who would make great lawyers. It’s about bringing people with different skill sets to the field.

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    I’m currently in law school. I don’t see the correlation of the LSAT and year one classes. All these standardized testing really test your test taking skills and not your actual abilities or intelligence.
     
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