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Wash And Go, To Grow And To Dazzle 2020 Challenge

GettingKinky

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If Jennifer was more tolerable than the As (I have no idea who they are exactly. I just see them mentioned here) then they must have been A LOT. lol. Jennifer is pretty "forward". She cusses regularly on her lives.

I’ve never listened to Jennifer, but people seem to like her personality better.
The As are Aishia and Aeleise of @iamblackgirlcurls and blackcurlmagic.com
 

GettingKinky

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UFD + jello shot gives much better day one results than jello shot alone.

I think I’m just going to have to accept that UFD is amazing. It’s black owned so I have no reason not to be a fan. I’ll just get over the things I don’t like about it.

I’m going to use up the rest of my products and just use UFD + a topper.
 

faithVA

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I’ve never listened to Jennifer, but people seem to like her personality better.
The As are Aishia and Aeleise of @iamblackgirlcurls and blackcurlmagic.com
I went to watch one of her videos. It was more than 2 hours :sad: Then I watched her eat potato chips for a minute and I was done :lol:

I don't have the patience for yt theatrics. Can you just tell me what you want to tell me.
 

kimpaur

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I love Jennifer so far and have been watching her videos and taking notes : lol:

She is WAY less stingy with her knowledge and seems like she talks mess because she cares and that’s her personality

I have watched the As on YouTube and was considering purchasing their book, but $50 for a e/book is just hard to justify

On another note-can anyone recommend a good paddle brush?
 

EmmJaii

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I think I need a new topper to pair with my UFD. The last two times I used ICH I had a grayish cast on my hair after a couple days and my hair just looks dull. I tried papaya slip on top of UFD today and my hair looks amazing and slightly shinier, so I’m headed in the right direction. Only issue is that Trepadora seems so hard to get. BoldKulture and ProductJunkie are often sold out. Plus I think with the $/oz calculation it’s more expensive... though I haven’t checked recently on the pricing for the larger bottles so I may be wrong...

What else pairs well with UFD and is relatively affordable and accessible??
 

DVAntDany

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I guess all publicity is good publicity. :laugh: I went ahead and purchased the A’s course since I couldn’t find the book on their site. I just care about the technique and can suffer through abrasive personalities. Have you ever listened to or met in person Yannie the Locologist? She too is an acquired taste, but the message is sound and works.

I don’t think my goals and their philosophy go hand in hand. I do appreciate them trying to make people embrace and enjoy their own unique hair characteristics. I have only recently noticed the trend of highlighting public acceptance of the low sheen hair with defined “tight waves.”

I personally want extra gloss and shine whether I have it naturally or not. I care about root definition. I want touchable soft hair yet have it be defined without frizz. Then I want all 3 of those statements to be achievable at the same time.

Maybe my goals are unrealistic. Will I have to settle for crunchy or plastic feeling casted hair?

P.S. I did enjoy their take on product selection. It makes sense and it confirms my own beliefs. I also now don’t feel so bad about using a moisturizing shampoo every few days.
 

DVAntDany

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I think I need a new topper to pair with my UFD. The last two times I used ICH I had a grayish cast on my hair after a couple days and my hair just looks dull. I tried papaya slip on top of UFD today and my hair looks amazing and slightly shinier, so I’m headed in the right direction. Only issue is that Trepadora seems so hard to get. BoldKulture and ProductJunkie are often sold out. Plus I think with the $/oz calculation it’s more expensive... though I haven’t checked recently on the pricing for the larger bottles so I may be wrong...

What else pairs well with UFD and is relatively affordable and accessible??
Sorry, I am of no help just yet, but I now know what products you are talking about. LOL
 

DVAntDany

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Y’all are probably going to get tired of me. I was able to procure a single travel pack of Miss Jessie’s Pillow Soft Curls from my cousin yesterday.

I was being lazy and only washed with the Mielle moisturizing shampoo and conditioner. I noticed while rinsing it out that my hair felt different yet softer. When I hopped out of the shower, I also noticed that I had water beads forming on my hair. I haven’t seen that since growing my hair out. Then the pillow soft curls didn’t really do that great definition wise and even flaked on me. This has been my issue with all of Miss Jessie’s in the past.

Now after watching the black curl magic 30 day detox 10q vid, I realize that my hair was not clean enough. It was stated that products shouldn’t flake if nothing was used as a leave in or all conditioner was rinsed out.

Seriously that moisturizing shampoo works just like how they talk about. I usually use clarifying shampoos anyway. That was needed with locs. I can see it is certainly needed now with loose hair too.
 

oneastrocurlie

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I personally want extra gloss and shine whether I have it naturally or not. I care about root definition. I want touchable soft hair yet have it be defined without frizz. Then I want all 3 of those statements to be achievable at the same time.

Maybe my goals are unrealistic. Will I have to settle for crunchy or plastic feeling casted hair?

I'm not familiar with the As so I'm not sure what they say about it. I will say as you go you'll learn your hair more and maybe even relax your own goals. I know I did. My hair grows out more than it grows down. I used to be so discouraged that it didn't look like my hair was growing because of shrinkage so I used to try and stretch my wash and gos. I eventually got to a point of acceptance and really like my volume these days versus hang time.

However crunchy or plastic coating feeling hair doesn't have to be a thing. Some people can do just gel. Some use two gel (like a gel and topper). I do curly magic (gel like) and a mousse or a custard. That works best for me :)

Just takes some trial and error.


ETA: I use my custard (KCCC) solo.
 
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DVAntDany

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I'm not familiar with the As so I'm not sure what they say about it. I will say as you go you'll learn your hair more and maybe even relax your own goals. I know I did. My hair grows out more than it grows down. I used to be so discouraged that it didn't look like my hair was growing because of shrinkage so I used to try and stretch my wash and gos. I eventually got to a point of acceptance and really like my volume these days versus hang time.

However crunchy or plastic coating feeling hair doesn't have to be a thing. Some people can do just gel. Some use two gel (like a gel and topper). I do curly magic (gel like) and a mousse or a custard. That works best for me :)

Just takes some trial and error.
Thanks. That makes sense.

Only until yesterday-years old did I even know what a topper was. I remember in the past people layering products, but I don’t truly remember them doing it in the particular order of gel as a base then something else on top. So that’s new to me.

Are people still finding that using creams or mousse on top not always “gelling” together? Like curdles or staying white? Is it still necessary to test it out when doing it in this order?

I guess I’ll be on the hunt for toppers. I actually like everything I am getting so far with the exception of feel. I was under the impression that I would need to put on something underneath. Hmm, that hasn’t been working like I expected it to. I need to open my mind and accept this new technique. Lol

May the hunt begin.
 

EmmJaii

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I'm not familiar with the As so I'm not sure what they say about it. I will say as you go you'll learn your hair more and maybe even relax your own goals. I know I did. My hair grows out more than it grows down. I used to be so discouraged that it didn't look like my hair was growing because of shrinkage so I used to try and stretch my wash and gos. I eventually got to a point of acceptance and really like my volume these days versus hang time.

However crunchy or plastic coating feeling hair doesn't have to be a thing. Some people can do just gel. Some use two gel (like a gel and topper). I do curly magic (gel like) and a mousse or a custard. That works best for me :)

Just takes some trial and error.
What custards have you had success with? I need a new topper for UFD.
 

GettingKinky

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I think I need a new topper to pair with my UFD. The last two times I used ICH I had a grayish cast on my hair after a couple days and my hair just looks dull. I tried papaya slip on top of UFD today and my hair looks amazing and slightly shinier, so I’m headed in the right direction. Only issue is that Trepadora seems so hard to get. BoldKulture and ProductJunkie are often sold out. Plus I think with the $/oz calculation it’s more expensive... though I haven’t checked recently on the pricing for the larger bottles so I may be wrong...

What else pairs well with UFD and is relatively affordable and accessible??
I never had issues with UFD+ ICH - that’s one of my top 2-3 combos, so I don’t know if my recommendations will give you what you want.

I’m on day 2 of UFD + jello shot and my hair is shiny with a strong gel cast. I’m actually not a fan of shiny, because to me it looks a bit fake on my hair. But my day 1 and 2 hair look much better than jello shot by itself.
 

DVAntDany

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What custards have you had success with? I need a new topper for UFD.
I’ve seen several people on YouTube use Mielle P&H Coiling Custard under products but never over.

The staff at Mielle instructed me to use one of their creams under the custard to get same results but softer feel.

I can say it gives shine and reduces frizz no matter what it is on top of. That might not be too helpful.
 

GettingKinky

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I'm not familiar with the As so I'm not sure what they say about it. I will say as you go you'll learn your hair more and maybe even relax your own goals. I know I did. My hair grows out more than it grows down. I used to be so discouraged that it didn't look like my hair was growing because of shrinkage so I used to try and stretch my wash and gos. I eventually got to a point of acceptance and really like my volume these days versus hang time.

However crunchy or plastic coating feeling hair doesn't have to be a thing. Some people can do just gel. Some use two gel (like a gel and topper). I do curly magic (gel like) and a mousse or a custard. That works best for me :)

Just takes some trial and error.

I definitely agree that my hair goals have changed. I used to want shiny elongated curls. I even bought oil sheen spray at one point to try and get shinier hair. It didn’t work.
But not I prefer a matte finish for my hair and I prefer the way my curls look when they are shrunken v when they are elongated.
 

GettingKinky

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I personally want extra gloss and shine whether I have it naturally or not. I care about root definition. I want touchable soft hair yet have it be defined without frizz. Then I want all 3 of those statements to be achievable at the same time.

Maybe my goals are unrealistic. Will I have to settle for crunchy or plastic feeling casted hair?
In my experience it’s difficult to get glossy/shiny and soft at the same time. I get the most shine when I have a strong gel cast and as the cast breaks my hair gets less shiny. This is one reason why I prefer to start with a matte finish.

I have gotten soft defined hair with low hold stylers, but the style only lasts a day or 2.
 

faithVA

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Y’all are probably going to get tired of me. I was able to procure a single travel pack of Miss Jessie’s Pillow Soft Curls from my cousin yesterday.

I was being lazy and only washed with the Mielle moisturizing shampoo and conditioner. I noticed while rinsing it out that my hair felt different yet softer. When I hopped out of the shower, I also noticed that I had water beads forming on my hair. I haven’t seen that since growing my hair out. Then the pillow soft curls didn’t really do that great definition wise and even flaked on me. This has been my issue with all of Miss Jessie’s in the past.

Now after watching the black curl magic 30 day detox 10q vid, I realize that my hair was not clean enough. It was stated that products shouldn’t flake if nothing was used as a leave in or all conditioner was rinsed out.

Seriously that moisturizing shampoo works just like how they talk about. I usually use clarifying shampoos anyway. That was needed with locs. I can see it is certainly needed now with loose hair too.
Have you clarified recently?

If water is beading on your hair it is usually a sign that for whatever reason your hair is absorbing water. Either the hair has not fully hydrated or the hair needs more cleansing.

I know some people like Ms. Jessies but I can't see that working with the 30 day detox.
 

faithVA

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I think I need a new topper to pair with my UFD. The last two times I used ICH I had a grayish cast on my hair after a couple days and my hair just looks dull. I tried papaya slip on top of UFD today and my hair looks amazing and slightly shinier, so I’m headed in the right direction. Only issue is that Trepadora seems so hard to get. BoldKulture and ProductJunkie are often sold out. Plus I think with the $/oz calculation it’s more expensive... though I haven’t checked recently on the pricing for the larger bottles so I may be wrong...

What else pairs well with UFD and is relatively affordable and accessible??
Do you feel your hair is fully hydrated?

I know when I first started I wasn't able to use ICH or any topper. But once my hair was fully hydrated ICH worked like a charm.
 

oneastrocurlie

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What custards have you had success with? I need a new topper for UFD.

I use KCCC. It's very good for me on soaking wet hair and raking in small sections. I use it solo but typically only use it after using KCKT as my leave in. I think one after the other works best for me with those two products.

Eta: I went back and realized my previous post looked I used custard on top of UFD.

I've only used a mousse on top of UFD.
 

faithVA

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Thanks. That makes sense.

Only until yesterday-years old did I even know what a topper was. I remember in the past people layering products, but I don’t truly remember them doing it in the particular order of gel as a base then something else on top. So that’s new to me.

Are people still finding that using creams or mousse on top not always “gelling” together? Like curdles or staying white? Is it still necessary to test it out when doing it in this order?

I guess I’ll be on the hunt for toppers. I actually like everything I am getting so far with the exception of feel. I was under the impression that I would need to put on something underneath. Hmm, that hasn’t been working like I expected it to. I need to open my mind and accept this new technique. Lol

May the hunt begin.

What happens when you use just the gel for a wng. The A's recommend only adding a product to solve a problem. A topper is not required. A topper is a solution for a problem. After you do your wng with just a gel, what is the problem you are trying to correct with the topper? When you have answered this question, then you can decide what type of topper you need if at all.
 

DVAntDany

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Have you clarified recently?

If water is beading on your hair it is usually a sign that for whatever reason your hair is absorbing water. Either the hair has not fully hydrated or the hair needs more cleansing.

I know some people like Ms. Jessies but I can't see that working with the 30 day detox.

I only mentioned that happening because it correlated with their teachings.

I don’t use that styling gel often. I did not clarify between products before using the styling gel. The mousse and custard seem to wash out easily. Then I would clarify at the end of the week or two weeks. I have some clarifying shampoo that in hindsight may actually not be that clarifying. They are named as such and are probably an all purpose cleanser.

That gel did not simply rinse out and it showed during the Poo/con session and with that Miss Jessie’s product. I’m thinking I may have unfairly been blaming Miss Jessie’s all of these years.

In no way was I blaming the Miss Jessie’s product. That was my error and I did not correct it when I had an opportunity.
 

DVAntDany

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What happens when you use just the gel for a wng. The A's recommend only adding a product to solve a problem. A topper is not required. A topper is a solution for a problem. After you do your wng with just a gel, what is the problem you are trying to correct with the topper? When you have answered this question, then you can decide what type of topper you need if at all.
I’m going to get some of their recommended products and see if I continue to have the same issue. It’s only one issue. I just want soft hair. LOL I actually love everything about the results of the custard and the mousse except for the lacking of a soft feel.

I am hoping to correct the firmness I feel with a topper. Is that achievable? I don’t need climate control for humidity or lack there of. The cast feels almost like plastic with the custard rather than crunchy. With the mousse, I get a papery almost crisp cast rather than crunchy or hard feeling.
 
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